Performance Bonus, Grid Modifier & Points explained

Hi All,

*** For Season 17 we have upped the bonus points to a entire point (see below max points where season 16 was max 0.8, is now 1.00) ***

I am posting the recent changes to the format regarding bonuses and Grid Modifier as also previously explained.

Below you will see the Performance Bonuses, these are added on top of your accumulated points, as per your Expected vs your Actual final race position.

Example:

If you were a Gold Driver and Expected to have finished 2nd, but in fact Actually finished first, you would look at the chart below AFTER the race, and Don will add these fractions to your point tally.

Look at Gold example - Expected to finish 2nd, but Actually finished 1st, so he gains +0.25 points.

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Again also below the Grid Modifier explained: AS well where it is explained in more detail  here

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I have to be again remind everyone, from this point onwards your performance pre and post race all counts:

1. Pre-Race - Leaderboard - Affects your GRID position positively - So the better you do, the more positive effect on the race Grid after Qualifying - Grid Modifier Used
2. Post Race - Bonus Points as per above - Expected finish vs Real finish - Only Positive counts, no points if you finish lower than expected - Performance Bonus used
3. Post Race - Ratings - Dons super tool, will allocate a new Rating for you, which might change you either up or down into a new class - Bronze, Silver, Gold or Platinum

Points distribution:

Herewith the point breakdown on what you will receive during a race week, pre and post race.

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I want to expand and put everything in very easy language, well I will try.

1. You really push hard and submit the very best fastest time you can during the week for the leaderboard. Even if you wont take top spot. The leaderboard time you submit could possibly assist you if your qualifying doesnt go 100% to plan, and if you have a good Qualifying too, you might even jump a position on the Grid!

2. Don allocates points according to where you finish, fastest time etc, and on top of this we are instating a performance bonus that gets added. This is to reward you for expected or above expected performance. It doesnt look like a lot but it could make a difference in the end. Remember those equal point finishes where highest rated driver takes it, well these points could mean you finish above that. The performance bonus is also not only for the very top racers, it is for everyone. So if you are a Bronze driver expected to finish 24th and you come in 24th or better, you will also get added points.

3. This part has always been there and doesnt change, so as you can see above is added from season 16 onwards.

The entire reason for all of this is to reward you for effort and performance above and beyond what you are used to.

Feel free to reach out if you want more clarity.

Just a bump reminder that from this season (16) onwards, to submit your very best time for the leaderboard.

So head out to the track and even if you beat your previous best by 0.001s, submit this to Don.

In test cases done, it might assist you when your qualifying doesnt go 100% to plan.

wow what happened to the kiss system

papa creech172 wrote:wow what happened to the kiss system

Wow, you only saw this now?

On the Grid modifier, I can try and make it even simpler, not 100% but gives you an idea.

All factors at play:
1. Rating - your 1967.999 as example (higher is better)
2. Rank - Grouped in Plat --> Bronze (Plat is better)
3. LB time
4. Qualy time
5. Group averages for all above as well

In short, if you are a Bronze driver and you want to be above a Platinum driver on the Grid you have to make up slightly more than a second between both LB and Qualy.

Bronze --> Silver --> Gold --> Plat
1.300s --> 0.800s --> 0.300s --> 0.000s

Me as example, in the next Silv race, have to pull 0.3s better than Don between both.

Sox in Silver needs to pull 0.5s on me and 0.8s on Don, etc.

Again this is not 100% due to the points above all playing a role but it is a good benchmark. Weight is thrown back towards being of a lower rating thus decreasing the gap.

These are actually very achievable as below are the times I ran with the different builds at Silverstone:
Plat - 2:08.9
Gold - 2:08.1
Silver - 2:07.0
Bronze - 2:05.8

You can see the Gaps are much bigger than the 0.000 --> 1.300s, so you should be able to with a little lap time easily do this.

A very quick Alien in Plat will still be able to run much faster than I can thus for them they arent influenced that much.

ZAR Eries wrote:

papa creech172 wrote:wow what happened to the kiss system

Wow, you only saw this now?

Maybe the simplest way to see this is, if you do better than expected according to your rating you'll get a small performance bonus. And if your ratio/average between your practice lap and your qualifying lap is better than your closest rivals ratio, you will gain a grid position.

So, the harder you try, the more reward there is. At the same time there is no actual penalty for not trying harder.

lol I see it a long time ago just waiting for your reaction as usual great work!!!!!

papa creech172 wrote:lol I see it a long time ago just waiting for your reaction as usual great work!!!!!

Lol, but shout if anyone needs some more in depth into it all.

After running this now for 5 races in season 16, I am extremely happy with the results.

As time goes by more and more will as currently happening come to realize how beneficial it could be running a fast LB time can assist if qualification takes a dip.

What is even more apparent is how the race results compares to the grid. It is VERY close meaning the expectancy of position on the Grid roughly indicates the expected race results.

Why did we embark on this? One is to assist in evening out the race starts.

By promoting a racer expected of finishing above their qualification position as example, cuts out dive bombing cause they know they are faster and taking risks of in some cases ending someone elses race.

Apart from the occasional mishap, it has worked well. Battles develop on the track in race where in the past we would have seen much more lap 1 contact.

We are also seeing like for like battling it out more now, and not seeing massive gaps develop due to some running away, while their counterpart in speed has to battle through the field.

It also assists the slower racers in the fact that a fast guy is behind them, and with them knowing something is coming from behind, relax more and just run their race.

Taking me as example, with a Chevy stuck behind me, I have to drive defensively, in most cases not the racing line, which many dont always practice, ending in mistakes. I luckily practice this, but many simply dont have the time, and this just helps them more.

Here is your race by race, Grid vs Race. Above 0 is better than Grid, Below is worse than Grid by positions. If there is a space between the lines for you it means that value was either a 0 or you didnt race. (Grid - Race =)

Race 1 - Green
Race 2 - Blue
Race 3 - Yellow
Race 4 - Peach
Race 5 - Grey

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EXAMPLE:
Don had:
Race 1 : 0 - Finished same as start
Race 2 : -3 - Finished 3 positions lower than start
Race 3 : +1 - Finished 1 positions higher than start
Race 4 : -3 - Finished 3 positions lower than start
Race 5 : -1 - Finished 1 position lower than start

Your ultimate aim is to either be on 0 or above 0.

Using your graph to:
Trending above 0 means you need to work on your practice of the track.
Trending below 0 means you need to work on your racing with people on track.

If your trend is between +1 and -1, you are good to go.

Don is trending at -1.2 meaning he needs to put a little more time in practicing racing and not chasing a ghost on Rivals the whole time.

Creech on the other hand is trending on -1.0 meaning he is good to go but spending a little time more on people racing would benefit him even more.

Rey came a long way, and spent time on track a lot, so much so that he needs to be weary of now leaning the other way. His track time is good, now get online with fellow racers for some paint scraping, same with Eries, he seems like he spends too much time running laptime tracks, he must be a hotlapper or something, get to racing!!!

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"running a fast LB time"...this is your way of saying hot lapping. The ifca's core beliefs, which are have fun while racing. Now we have to "HOT LAP" to possibly get a better grid position for
qualifying. all you really made is a bonus for hot lappers. If you qualify bad because you got penalty or just sucked it up that day... TO BAD you start in the back just like in real racing, and with that being said we mock up the whole TA series based on real life conditions. what race series uses a "HOT LAP" bonus. THIS IS UNJUST if someone moves up, that means someone else moved down. its not all happy happy happy. YIN and YANG cant have one with out the other. I say get rid of the HOT LAP bonus modifier.

Running a fast time for you, not overall. Im always speaking to the broader group and not the top, bottom or middle.

A time of 1:55.000 might be a fast time for a racer while the top LB time might be a 1:53.000.

So, in that regard, if you practice, try and push the limits, see how fast you can go. In practice it is easier to run faster than in the race as you have no competition. If its the other way around, then well, you either didnt practice at all or totally mocked about.

It is simple, you are rewarded for everything. You can decide which of these rewards you want to reap. If only race day then, that was 100% your choice.

However dont get angry when someone else says, hey I want it all and gets more than you. (You as in generalized)

Its like studying, you need to study to do well in the exam. If you just pitch on exam day and rely only on your IQ, well good for you, but dont hold it against the guy that smashed an A against your D, cause he dared to study for a week straight before the exam and hand in assignments that all make up his end mark. It is that simple really.

Look I get it, you dont like it, which is fine. You want to pitch run qualifying and that determines grid. Same as you not liking it others like it, at least at last some efforts are rewarded and I am always for making an effort needs recognition. If you know the mechanics behind the modifier you will clearly note how much weight is thrown towards the lower rankings as well.

Question and it is a serious question, why even submit a LB time then? Isnt that actually what you are saying?

Don should be there on a Saturday for in case you want to race. Thats incredibly selfish, so the LB is to ensure who will pitch up, so while you are making the effort to submit a time for the LB, just challenge yourself while you are it at, and see how fast you can go. Cmon try it.

Your trend is +2.2

Lastly - Like real racing ... Yeah, scrap those silly 3 practice sessions in F1, cause it doesnt add anything, it doesnt give the driver or car an advantage for final grid position. It is all about Qualifying, yup

Side note, nice LB time on Watkins Oneshot!

jason\"1shot" wrote: "running a fast LB time"...this is your way of saying hot lapping. The ifca's core beliefs, which are have fun while racing. Now we have to "HOT LAP" to possibly get a better grid position for
qualifying. all you really made is a bonus for hot lappers. If you qualify bad because you got penalty or just sucked it up that day... TO BAD you start in the back just like in real racing, and with that being said we mock up the whole TA series based on real life conditions. what race series uses a "HOT LAP" bonus. THIS IS UNJUST if someone moves up, that means someone else moved down. its not all happy happy happy. YIN and YANG cant have one with out the other. I say get rid of the HOT LAP bonus modifier.

All I was a beneficiary of this last week I had a good Hot Lap/Practice lap and then I qualified dead last but moved up the the grid 5 positions I believe... I felt bad bad and did not like it! My reward is trying to get in the top 8 and gain a bonus point !
When race quantification starts in my opinion it should be that take the time and position in the order you finished
Lets have some fun please! I appreciative all the work that goes in to creating this advantage however, I am not sure if everyone agrees as most don't even read these posts!

jason\"1shot" wrote: "running a fast LB time"...this is your way of saying hot lapping. The ifca's core beliefs, which are have fun while racing. Now we have to "HOT LAP" to possibly get a better grid position for
qualifying. all you really made is a bonus for hot lappers. If you qualify bad because you got penalty or just sucked it up that day... TO BAD you start in the back just like in real racing, and with that being said we mock up the whole TA series based on real life conditions. what race series uses a "HOT LAP" bonus. THIS IS UNJUST if someone moves up, that means someone else moved down. its not all happy happy happy. YIN and YANG cant have one with out the other. I say get rid of the HOT LAP bonus modifier.

I understand the resistance, and I think eries does too.  First, change of any sort will always be accompanied by resistance.  It's human nature.  OneShot (and creech) can not and will not be ignored or dismissed, because of his length of service in support of the IFCA.  In other words, he has earned a say here.  In fact, some of the things he has said have been acted upon in the past to bring us to where we are today.  With over 150 rated races to his credit his status as a IFCA veteran is secure.

Eries's explanation of the performance bonus is a logical extension of what we have been doing for practice laps and not a true outright change however.  His system only enhances or adds value to the exercise of posting a weekly practice lap.  

Bear in mind it doesn't actually rob or take points away from those who perform poorly.  This was an important consideration when it was first presented because I didn't want to penalize anyone.  In keeping with all the other bonus incentives eries designed it so that it only helps those who improve and doesn't hurt those who don't, unilaterally.  Otherwise there would be a lot of drivers like OneShot and maybe creech who would protest that it was unfair.

The purpose for why we have the practice lap leaderboard is manifold.  It is fun, and helps everyone to see where they are at and how far they must go.  It rounds out the entire Forza sim-racing experience in that it includes hot lapping as a benchmark rather than excluding it.  This is important since we have to admit  hot lapping is a larger part of Forza than actual racing.  

There has always been a bonus incentive associated with the IFCA practice leaderboard.  By linking this to qualifying via your rating, actually makes it slightly more fair for the slower drivers if they apply themselves fully.  That is, if they make a hard charge during the week, and then because of this, do well during qualifying, their odds of a better grid position due to their hard work is slightly greater than had they not.  On the flip side, let's say the same driver doesn't do well during qualifying or not as well as he'd hoped, not all is lost.  Because he put in a good hard practice lap effort he may yet retain an okay grid position or one that would otherwise be awful without a strong effort in practice.  

Then, if this were the case, if we didn't have this system, we would have a driver stuck with others who are not as fast creating a performance imbalance on the grid. This is what has happened in the past. And this is one of eries points.  This system helps even the field out.  It places drivers of equal ability with each other more often. This in turn makes the racing, again closer, and therefor more fun.

The whole idea of having a unique practice leaderboard is to offer both incentive to practice, and to give everyone reason to participate continually throughout the season.  By smoothing out the incentive already in place and attaching it to performance/rating it does help to equalize and further balance the field.  It doesn't actually hurt anyone who doesn't want to practice, but it can help those who do.  And this is what we want.  We want to offer areas of success whenever we can and especially for the lower rated driver.

So, I think we will stay with it and see how it goes with only 2 seasons left before the Forza 8 release.  When FM8 comes out everything will dramatically change possibly to the point that none of what we are doing now will apply.

Thanks

100% as usual Don.

I fully understand the resistance, but also must emphasize that to resist due to not fully understanding is also a flaw.

Even Don's rating system has the sole focus of balancing, and putting an order to racers that should be able to be a closer match.

I can just hear the uproar and complaints every week from people that are out of position, we dont fully try rectify this, but a frustrated fast guy sitting at the back of the pack also opens the door for situations that we should if possible try and lessen.

A fast guy one second a lap quicker will still get through the pack, their end position is never really changed in any way.

Agree, run it, get used to it, and always try and do your best, before and during the race, otherwise, Don might just as well do away with everything and have a single build for all, but as history shows the unhappiness far outweighed the change, and now it is part of how things are done.

The new Forza hopefully brings with it all thats awesome regarding custom comps

ZAR Eries wrote:100% as usual Don.

I fully understand the resistance, but also must emphasize that to resist due to not fully understanding is also a flaw.

Even Don's rating system has the sole focus of balancing, and putting an order to racers that should be able to be a closer match.

I can just hear the uproar and complaints every week from people that are out of position, we dont fully try rectify this, but a frustrated fast guy sitting at the back of the pack also opens the door for situations that we should if possible try and lessen.

A fast guy one second a lap quicker will still get through the pack, their end position is never really changed in any way.

Agree, run it, get used to it, and always try and do your best, before and during the race, otherwise, Don might just as well do away with everything and have a single build for all, but as history shows the unhappiness far outweighed the change, and now it is part of how things are done.

The new Forza hopefully brings with it all thats awesome regarding custom comps

I fully understand the resistance, but also must emphasize that to resist due to not fully understanding is also a flaw.........how condensing is that statement WOW

papa creech172 wrote:

ZAR Eries wrote:100% as usual Don.

I fully understand the resistance, but also must emphasize that to resist due to not fully understanding is also a flaw.

Even Don's rating system has the sole focus of balancing, and putting an order to racers that should be able to be a closer match.

I can just hear the uproar and complaints every week from people that are out of position, we dont fully try rectify this, but a frustrated fast guy sitting at the back of the pack also opens the door for situations that we should if possible try and lessen.

A fast guy one second a lap quicker will still get through the pack, their end position is never really changed in any way.

Agree, run it, get used to it, and always try and do your best, before and during the race, otherwise, Don might just as well do away with everything and have a single build for all, but as history shows the unhappiness far outweighed the change, and now it is part of how things are done.

The new Forza hopefully brings with it all thats awesome regarding custom comps

I fully understand the resistance, but also must emphasize that to resist due to not fully understanding is also a flaw.........how condensing is that statement  WOW

Yes, it could be taken that way, but it doesn't have to be and I don't think it was meant to be.  As Zach has admitted recently, it is not easy to convey a meaning in text.  It's easy to sound harsh by accident in other words. And if the reader has a negative attitude to start with, then just about anything written can be taken in the wrong way.  

So I think it is better to always try to take things positively especially if you are unsure how to take it.  You'd be surprised how well this works in the end.  

You know, don't make things personal, realize that with the written word it takes way less to sound like you are shouting, and keep in mind that everyone has some difficulty knowing what you mean exactly.  For example, to suggest incomplete understanding of something could be taken simply as a fact, or as a backhanded compliment, or as a condescending insult.  Perhaps it was worded poorly, or just as equally possible the reader prefers to be disagreeable at the time.  Or both.  If both, then you have a recipe for resentment that was never intended by either party.  The way out of this setup for conflict is by adding a little grace to things.  Allow the integrity of the source to dictate your judgement and ask, "is he really out to make me mad or insult me, or is there a basic fact he is trying his best to share with me instead?"

Just a thought

I was actually wondering what water gas to liquid has to do with everything!

Creech trust me, every hour spent apart from racing on track is done for everyone but me.

As with my day job, I am always batting the other side, always, Don and I have had some heated arguements cause I always say ... Yeah but what about this and that.

Case in point, only 10 cars a group next season, for a reason, I was very verbal about the positives for the guy that didnt have time like we do.

[quote="ZAR Eries"]I was actually wondering what water gas to liquid has to do with everything!

Creech trust me, every hour spent apart from racing on track is done for everyone but me.

As with my day job, I am always batting the other side, always, Don and I have had some heated arguements cause I always say ... Yeah but what about this and that.

Case in point, only 10 cars a group next season, for a reason, I was very verbal about the positives for the guy that didnt have time like we do.[/quote]

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change, change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference

Please read the IFCA Mission Statement here:
https://ifca.forumotion.com/t6819-ifca-mission-vision-value-statements

Season 18, revised performance Bonus.

How to understand it.

1. What skill rating are you? Plat, Gold, etc
2. What was your expected finish?
3. What was your actual finish?

Subtract expected finish from actual finish. Look up that value in the rating table.



Example:

Don is gold. Expected to finish 6th and comes in 2nd.

6 - 2= 4

He looks at gold, 4 and sees he gets 0.98 added performance points

Individual Performance Bonuses for Season 20. Final

Performance Bonus Revised and Final.